Saw this coming a mile away. Shadiversity seems like he got paid to advertise the film; never seen him go out of his way to do this before, he marks every trope and cliche of the people paid to shill x franchise when said project or content is being dunked on. This is textbook slop chilling and gaslighting on the part of Shad seeing how the creators of this bastardized version of He-Man have described the project. He-Man is a masculine character and is supposed to be an idealistic character from beginning to end. Even the Dolph Ludgren movie understood this. Lastly, He-Man, under no circumstance, takes a life seeing how in the OG cartoon he considers even Skeletor’s life valuable and precious.
If the creators describe the message of the movie as being x, and the movie can easily be interpreted as representing x, then logicly x should be assumed to be the message of the movie. Other interpretations might be feasable, but at this point you are clearly trying to override the announced and delivered message of the artist with one that suits you better. But if you spend money on the movie, no matter how you interpret it for you, you are still financing a creator who wanted to create a movie about x and who will take your money as a sign that x is what the audience wants to see movies about. So tldr: if you dont want more movies were overcoming toxic masculinity is a major plot and story point, skip this one.
It sounds like Shad considers the message of the film so obviously true, he doesn’t consider it a message. He already believes that toxic masculinity is evil, and that’s why he thinks Skelator is just representing evil. He already thinks masculinity is about protecting your family, and that it is not about providing for your family by dominating others. Shad has already been persuaded by the feminist narrative, so he does not see the feminist message in this movie, but Tom understands that masculinity is more than just protecting.
Cons: I watched it. They gender swapped Roboto and made her the exact same character as Phoebe Waller Bridge from "Solo" (the annoying feminist robot). They had this random chick named Dian, made her more overpowered and gave her more time than Fisto, Mossman, Mekaneck, and Ram Man (who is now asian, by the way). Triclops is black now. Man At Arms, also black, was literally useless, retarded, and a drunk because he lost to Trapjaw in the first 10mins of the movie.
Pros: Now if you ignore all that, which I couldn't, It was the greatest movie of all time haha. I've never heard jokes like these before. The actor for Adam was so flippin funny. It really had good morals. A man meant protecting your love ones and family by being strong. They poke fun at how women can't be good bosses in the workplace. The movie made fun of Adam's dumb, bald, black, feminist boss a lot. The movie didn't emasculate He-man at all. He was able to handle the whole Skeletor army by himself just with his fists. Action scenes were pretty amazing but not as good as "Mortal Kombat 2". The world looks exactly how it looks in the cartoons. Soundtrack was great. They had Brian May playing the guitar the whole time. It had a few songs by "The Darkness", which were great. It had the sound of the 80's. By the way, when they say toxic masculinity, I just think of a gamma male. That's literally what Skeletor is. Silent king, his men hate him, lets everyone do everything for him, beats his girlfriend, and also pretty gay for He-man. Leto played the role perfectly.
I give it a -1/10. Never support these SJW's and never give them an inch. Luckily I had a free ticket.
1) Blackman (man at arms) is the more perfect and competent and less flawed than He Man.
2) Woman (Teela) teaches He Man hiw to Fight.
3) He Man is Conflict adverse, incompetent, goofy and stupid until Bkackman and Woman teach him how to be A Proper Hero.
He Man therefore would useless without guidance and assistence of DEI Hires to show him the error of his ways (or preach what a worthless sack of crap he is because hes a stupid white man) and became a REAL MAN.
Without the important Lessons or Guidance and Greatness offered by DEI HIRES OF EMPOWERED WOMAN and BLACKMAN He Man would have be just another stupid, lazy, goofy imcompentent White Man who doesnt deserve anything until DEI HIRES SHOW HIM HOW TO BE A PROPER HUMAN AND HERO.
Haven't seen the film yet--don't know that I will after this--but a couple of points, the second of which involves a spoiler that seems to have been dropped into this debate:
1. The secret identity side of Adam/He-Man is something they've been downplaying for some time. The DC comic revival in the 2010s dumped it about as soon as they could, the CGI Netflix series seems to have abandoned it altogether for more than one episode, and I'm given to understand that Kevin Smith's whole first season was a deconstruction of it. That's a trope that the 'modern audience' does not seem to enjoy, and I admit I've long been of two minds about the Prince Adam/He-Man split myself.
2. Wait...He-Man kills King Randor?
If that's the case, then my wavering interest in this film just collapsed. He-Man killing _anyone_ is a serious issue for the character; I'm not saying it can't be done, but you have to be very careful with the shape of the characters, story, etc. surrounding it. In this case, if they're going for 'modernized Filmation', that's about as glaring a misstep as I can imagine. Filmation's He-Man, in what is considered the high point of the entire cartoon series, renounced the Power of Grayskull altogether after being tricked into believing he'd killed a _complete_ stranger by _accident_. And one of the driving elements of Adam/He-Man's characterization is his desire to win his father's respect, something that the previews make it seem would be even more important for this version of Adam. If you have Adam kill Randor--even if it involves trickery, mind control, accident, or any other extenuating factors--that's the kind of thing that is going to completely _break_ the man and need to be the central focus of the story, and yet everyone talks about how this is a fun romp.
He-Man: now that's a name I'm mostly familiar with from memes. The movie has basically no interest or relevance for me.
Shadiversity ... I like some of his takes but at other times he seems to be trying to court controversy or something. I think his medieval stuff is good when he carefully researches it, but sometimes there appears to be too much armchair philosophizing without much research. I will say I'm not a fan of the profanity in Midnight's remarks--he comes off as overly dramatic and I think obscenities "cheapen the soul and weaken the mind." Edit: see comments below from Codex Redux for source.
I've seen a number of critics/reviewers of various movies and things desperately try to spin anything positively and I've gotten tired of that. (Endless negativity can be annoying too, but is easier on the wallet!)
If you're looking for some really excellent tests of historical weapons, I'd recommend Tod's Workshop on YouTube. (Arrows vs. Armor series, and lots of stuff where people try out accurate replicas. They try to be quite honest about what the tests do and don't mean--e.g. they are trying to recreate and use items but can't say for certain how they were used in the past.)
I think even the original He-Man series caught some complaints from certain people for being part of the phase where shows were getting dumbed down to have more approval from the FCC or something like that.
Are you the original source of that quote? I had saved your comment from Tom Simon's blog because I really liked how it put it, but wasn't sure who the original source was because you had it in quotes too.
It's from my favorite T.V. show that no-one has heard of written by Javier Grillo-Marsu-whatsit.
Mercifully canceled after 1 season as the writer went off the rails during the Covidiocy. The story finale & wrap up is available on YourFaceInnaTube. The rest of Season 1 is on DVD.
Note the heroine is a complete potty mouth in episode 1 only, and it pays off later in the story.
In my opinion, I think Travis Knight only did this movie, for a paycheque. So he can use that paycheque to make his actual passion project for his stop motion company, Laika(which would be Wildwood).
Good Lord, del Arroz. Spoiler warning, please. I feel like you just ruined a major plot point of the movie for me by not indicating that Edge's take had that particular detail in it.
Whether they want to deconstruct Prince Adam or not depends on the direction and the editing. I don't know yet whether the movie really wants the viewer to look down on him or not.
But I will say that the villain wanting to frame the hero and make them responsible for evil actions is standard villain fare. Batman Returns had Catwoman and Penguin explain it literally. So I'm not convinced that this is a problem yet.
You do wonder if they wanted to make a masculine movie for financial reasons but had to make all the appropriate Hollywood noises; I've always suspected Chuck Palahniuk, for instance, is not quite as woke as he claims. We may never know.
It seems like it would have a limited audience, kids these days don't care about American cartoons and not that many middle-aged guys have that much nostalgia for that particular IP. I played with them the first time around (I chewed on Skeletor's power sword because I was, like, 5) along with the Ninja Turtles, the Transformers, and the Ghostbusters, and it's interesting to see which properties have made a comeback and which haven't. There's some Ninja Turtle stuff because ninjas are cool (it's a way for boys to roleplay fighting) and a whole bunch of Transformers movies because, well giant robots are cool (they're big and strong and mechanical), but He-Man... I think for whatever reason scifi-fantasy mixes never made a comeback after the 70s. Not sure why.
I saw it twice, this was a very fun movie. It wasnt woke, and press tour aside you can see the passion the entire team had dripping from the costumes, music, and acting of every character. I sincerely hope that it performs well on streaming and in toy sales, and the planned sequel does get made.
I saw it on Friday. It was entertaining, but none of the characters endeared themselves to me particularly. I think it tried to please everyone by keeping messaging of any kind to a minimum. Like when Adam gives a pep talk to his comrades and what he says makes no sense (something about getting in the back of yourself, instead of the front). If it was a joke, it wasn't very funny.
Saw this coming a mile away. Shadiversity seems like he got paid to advertise the film; never seen him go out of his way to do this before, he marks every trope and cliche of the people paid to shill x franchise when said project or content is being dunked on. This is textbook slop chilling and gaslighting on the part of Shad seeing how the creators of this bastardized version of He-Man have described the project. He-Man is a masculine character and is supposed to be an idealistic character from beginning to end. Even the Dolph Ludgren movie understood this. Lastly, He-Man, under no circumstance, takes a life seeing how in the OG cartoon he considers even Skeletor’s life valuable and precious.
If the creators describe the message of the movie as being x, and the movie can easily be interpreted as representing x, then logicly x should be assumed to be the message of the movie. Other interpretations might be feasable, but at this point you are clearly trying to override the announced and delivered message of the artist with one that suits you better. But if you spend money on the movie, no matter how you interpret it for you, you are still financing a creator who wanted to create a movie about x and who will take your money as a sign that x is what the audience wants to see movies about. So tldr: if you dont want more movies were overcoming toxic masculinity is a major plot and story point, skip this one.
It sounds like Shad considers the message of the film so obviously true, he doesn’t consider it a message. He already believes that toxic masculinity is evil, and that’s why he thinks Skelator is just representing evil. He already thinks masculinity is about protecting your family, and that it is not about providing for your family by dominating others. Shad has already been persuaded by the feminist narrative, so he does not see the feminist message in this movie, but Tom understands that masculinity is more than just protecting.
He's a very soft guy.
Spoiler Alert:
Cons: I watched it. They gender swapped Roboto and made her the exact same character as Phoebe Waller Bridge from "Solo" (the annoying feminist robot). They had this random chick named Dian, made her more overpowered and gave her more time than Fisto, Mossman, Mekaneck, and Ram Man (who is now asian, by the way). Triclops is black now. Man At Arms, also black, was literally useless, retarded, and a drunk because he lost to Trapjaw in the first 10mins of the movie.
Pros: Now if you ignore all that, which I couldn't, It was the greatest movie of all time haha. I've never heard jokes like these before. The actor for Adam was so flippin funny. It really had good morals. A man meant protecting your love ones and family by being strong. They poke fun at how women can't be good bosses in the workplace. The movie made fun of Adam's dumb, bald, black, feminist boss a lot. The movie didn't emasculate He-man at all. He was able to handle the whole Skeletor army by himself just with his fists. Action scenes were pretty amazing but not as good as "Mortal Kombat 2". The world looks exactly how it looks in the cartoons. Soundtrack was great. They had Brian May playing the guitar the whole time. It had a few songs by "The Darkness", which were great. It had the sound of the 80's. By the way, when they say toxic masculinity, I just think of a gamma male. That's literally what Skeletor is. Silent king, his men hate him, lets everyone do everything for him, beats his girlfriend, and also pretty gay for He-man. Leto played the role perfectly.
I give it a -1/10. Never support these SJW's and never give them an inch. Luckily I had a free ticket.
From what I gather from Shavdiversity is
1) Blackman (man at arms) is the more perfect and competent and less flawed than He Man.
2) Woman (Teela) teaches He Man hiw to Fight.
3) He Man is Conflict adverse, incompetent, goofy and stupid until Bkackman and Woman teach him how to be A Proper Hero.
He Man therefore would useless without guidance and assistence of DEI Hires to show him the error of his ways (or preach what a worthless sack of crap he is because hes a stupid white man) and became a REAL MAN.
Without the important Lessons or Guidance and Greatness offered by DEI HIRES OF EMPOWERED WOMAN and BLACKMAN He Man would have be just another stupid, lazy, goofy imcompentent White Man who doesnt deserve anything until DEI HIRES SHOW HIM HOW TO BE A PROPER HUMAN AND HERO.
It does show a bit of the waning of DEI in that they're actually willing to let the white guy be the hero at the end. But I haven't seen it yet.
Haven't seen the film yet--don't know that I will after this--but a couple of points, the second of which involves a spoiler that seems to have been dropped into this debate:
1. The secret identity side of Adam/He-Man is something they've been downplaying for some time. The DC comic revival in the 2010s dumped it about as soon as they could, the CGI Netflix series seems to have abandoned it altogether for more than one episode, and I'm given to understand that Kevin Smith's whole first season was a deconstruction of it. That's a trope that the 'modern audience' does not seem to enjoy, and I admit I've long been of two minds about the Prince Adam/He-Man split myself.
2. Wait...He-Man kills King Randor?
If that's the case, then my wavering interest in this film just collapsed. He-Man killing _anyone_ is a serious issue for the character; I'm not saying it can't be done, but you have to be very careful with the shape of the characters, story, etc. surrounding it. In this case, if they're going for 'modernized Filmation', that's about as glaring a misstep as I can imagine. Filmation's He-Man, in what is considered the high point of the entire cartoon series, renounced the Power of Grayskull altogether after being tricked into believing he'd killed a _complete_ stranger by _accident_. And one of the driving elements of Adam/He-Man's characterization is his desire to win his father's respect, something that the previews make it seem would be even more important for this version of Adam. If you have Adam kill Randor--even if it involves trickery, mind control, accident, or any other extenuating factors--that's the kind of thing that is going to completely _break_ the man and need to be the central focus of the story, and yet everyone talks about how this is a fun romp.
He-Man: now that's a name I'm mostly familiar with from memes. The movie has basically no interest or relevance for me.
Shadiversity ... I like some of his takes but at other times he seems to be trying to court controversy or something. I think his medieval stuff is good when he carefully researches it, but sometimes there appears to be too much armchair philosophizing without much research. I will say I'm not a fan of the profanity in Midnight's remarks--he comes off as overly dramatic and I think obscenities "cheapen the soul and weaken the mind." Edit: see comments below from Codex Redux for source.
I've seen a number of critics/reviewers of various movies and things desperately try to spin anything positively and I've gotten tired of that. (Endless negativity can be annoying too, but is easier on the wallet!)
If you're looking for some really excellent tests of historical weapons, I'd recommend Tod's Workshop on YouTube. (Arrows vs. Armor series, and lots of stuff where people try out accurate replicas. They try to be quite honest about what the tests do and don't mean--e.g. they are trying to recreate and use items but can't say for certain how they were used in the past.)
I think even the original He-Man series caught some complaints from certain people for being part of the phase where shows were getting dumbed down to have more approval from the FCC or something like that.
obscenities "cheapen the soul and weaken the mind."
MIDDLEMAN-!!!
Hahaha
Are you the original source of that quote? I had saved your comment from Tom Simon's blog because I really liked how it put it, but wasn't sure who the original source was because you had it in quotes too.
Happy to credit whomever where it is due ;)
It's from my favorite T.V. show that no-one has heard of written by Javier Grillo-Marsu-whatsit.
Mercifully canceled after 1 season as the writer went off the rails during the Covidiocy. The story finale & wrap up is available on YourFaceInnaTube. The rest of Season 1 is on DVD.
Note the heroine is a complete potty mouth in episode 1 only, and it pays off later in the story.
In my opinion, I think Travis Knight only did this movie, for a paycheque. So he can use that paycheque to make his actual passion project for his stop motion company, Laika(which would be Wildwood).
Good Lord, del Arroz. Spoiler warning, please. I feel like you just ruined a major plot point of the movie for me by not indicating that Edge's take had that particular detail in it.
Whether they want to deconstruct Prince Adam or not depends on the direction and the editing. I don't know yet whether the movie really wants the viewer to look down on him or not.
But I will say that the villain wanting to frame the hero and make them responsible for evil actions is standard villain fare. Batman Returns had Catwoman and Penguin explain it literally. So I'm not convinced that this is a problem yet.
Shadiversity? I'm more interested in the opinion of Frank Reynolds' girlfriend Shadynasty.
Coming to this article a little late to ask this site's content creators to lay off influencer on influencer drama.
It's lame and tiring and not a great look for an otherwise quality site.
I see this article has decent engagement and likes, so I'm probably in the minority, but I still feel strongly enough to mention it.
You do wonder if they wanted to make a masculine movie for financial reasons but had to make all the appropriate Hollywood noises; I've always suspected Chuck Palahniuk, for instance, is not quite as woke as he claims. We may never know.
It seems like it would have a limited audience, kids these days don't care about American cartoons and not that many middle-aged guys have that much nostalgia for that particular IP. I played with them the first time around (I chewed on Skeletor's power sword because I was, like, 5) along with the Ninja Turtles, the Transformers, and the Ghostbusters, and it's interesting to see which properties have made a comeback and which haven't. There's some Ninja Turtle stuff because ninjas are cool (it's a way for boys to roleplay fighting) and a whole bunch of Transformers movies because, well giant robots are cool (they're big and strong and mechanical), but He-Man... I think for whatever reason scifi-fantasy mixes never made a comeback after the 70s. Not sure why.
I saw it twice, this was a very fun movie. It wasnt woke, and press tour aside you can see the passion the entire team had dripping from the costumes, music, and acting of every character. I sincerely hope that it performs well on streaming and in toy sales, and the planned sequel does get made.
I saw it on Friday. It was entertaining, but none of the characters endeared themselves to me particularly. I think it tried to please everyone by keeping messaging of any kind to a minimum. Like when Adam gives a pep talk to his comrades and what he says makes no sense (something about getting in the back of yourself, instead of the front). If it was a joke, it wasn't very funny.
FWIW, Critical Drinker and I think Nerdrotic (might have that last one wrong, it was another anti-woke YouTube creator) were both very positive on it