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Laran Mithras's avatar

There is an element within the body of the church that denies grace. They claim we must adhere to the Law in Old Testament scripture. These cannot be reasoned with.

Even when I point out they're breaking it every single day.

This element uses the heresy of salvation by works as a bludgeon to force others to "meet a certain standard" and thus validate themselves and their virtue signaling.

They cannot be reasoned with. Don't even try. Don't apologize. And don't give place to heresy.

SK's avatar

The best place for Satan to discredit the church is from within by leading "Christians" into un-Christlike behaviors and teachings.

NIGELTEAPOT's avatar

Without works, you are dead. To call this "heresy" while currently diving into every heresy you can is purely satanic. On the level of that "lutheran satire" video 10 years ago where a group of literal heretics claim St Patrick is "promoting heresy" by dishonestly categorizing his abstractions of The Trinity.

your specific reference is to a purposely, maliciously mistranslated part of one of St Paul's Epistles where he refers to how "works of law" cannot save: ie. merely passing a Catholic Law or having a Catholic King does not reflect on you personally, one has to do the actual work personally for it to count.

One does not get a super bowl ring unless you are on the field.

One does not get to Heaven despite the atheist canard I have heard a few times "my Grandma goes three times to Daily Mass every day!" Good for her! What about you? Silence.

Mix in your apparent hatred of The Old Covenant for whatever idiotic reason, most likely because you think "jews" have even the slightest relation to Biblical Israelites, maybe because it calls out your favored sins. Add in your clearly unraveling mental state. Realize that your "atheist" framework is still there, like not understanding what Proscribed or Eternal Law is (or holding dear to rhetoric about "shellfish" or "mixed fabrics" but not knowing what any of it means just that you were told you could weaponize it against Christians), just believed to be "justified" if you scream "jesus barabbas" loud enough every other week (did you know barabbas' first name? three quarters of Biblical Israel were named either Jesus or Mary for a number of VERY real reasons your heresises or covens won't [or can't] tell you).

your masters have made you a monster.

your curses are Consummately Returned!

SK's avatar

This is an excellent essay: clear, succinct, and instructive. Thank you.

In my discussions with Christian elders, it seems as though "don't lie" was badgered into them as an absolute command as children, and that it was illustrated through stories that pushed the idea that blabbing everything to everyone and keeping no secrets for any amount of time was the only right thing to do. That a "lie of omission" was a lie, no matter how temporary it was or how respectful of privacy it was. In short, it was a rule written for children, dumbed down so far as to lose its essential truth. We can't easily ask children to be circumspect about truth because it requires discernement.

As adults, however, we can recognize that telling the SS officer that there is no one else in the house is the right thing to do. And that children would be traumatized to learn about child SA and human trafficking instead of learning about the unfathomable depths of human evil later when their minds are more mature.

I try to remember Christ's instruction to "be wise as serpents and innocent as doves." (Matthew 10:16) And how Paul did not tell his captors that he was a Roman citizen until after they beat him with no trial, causing fear in the magistrates that had ordered the beating (Acts 16). Hiding the truth until after the Romans delivered and unjustified beating revealed how unjust these magistrates truly were and the great importance of not punishing someone without searching out and considering all the facts in their case. Not blabbing the truth until after his captors had revealed their unjust practices exposed a truth about human nature and our haste to form rash judgements without fully understanding what is going on.

I think many atheists do this (form rash judgements) when they declare that God is immoral according to their own human judgement because He did this or that in situations that they assume they understand everything about. They will be deeply shamed when they come to fully understand this world and the story God is authoring in it.