Fantasy romance author Lena McDonald has inadvertently provided the most compelling evidence yet that AI-generated fiction has reached a quality threshold that even dedicated readers cannot distinguish from human writing.
I'm not an author so maybe this isn't valid but I would think that it;s Ok to use AI for writing as long as the idea and story are from the human and the AI is just composing that, writing it down and maybe even in a particular style. It's the creativity , IMHO, that matters most and not the effectiveness of the grammar. If I gave an AI the details for story, it;s plot, the characters, their stories and so on and asked it to compose it into a professional looking story in the style of Steven King would that be wrong, unethical?
"creativity that matters", IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA PUT IT ON A PAGE. Every word is yours, your style, your imagination. It's not simply about being "unethical" or "wrong", although ai is but that's another situation. Also, your argument literally makes no sense, the point of writing is creativity, everything in your book is based on creativity; how you word things is creativity, how you present it. It's like saying you have a plot, characters and stories but people aren't going to read it if the language isn't captivating? It's supposed to hit human emotions and generative AI contradicts this whole concept. It's like saying oh I have an idea but I don't know how to write it, wait let me pop it into chatGPT! Even though that idea was once yours, that story is not yours. None of the words belong to you. Also it's Stephen King. The point of writing is to let out your words not take away others, sure you can get inspiration but blatantly going out your way to be exactly the same as someone else? That's just plain stupid.
I get your point. Mine about using AI to help is that some of us have a really bad habit (like me) of writing/composing as if I am talking and that doesn't always translate so well. There's a lot of easy to make grammatical errors like using then vs than and if you want the most number of people to give your stuff a try then you want to try and make it looks as at least semi=professionally written as you can.
I'm excited about what this will bring in terms of fiction as there are many with raw creative talent that simply don't have what it takes to channel that into something formal and easily digested by others and AI can greatly help with that!
It's not about how easily digestible a book is. Having simple writing is not a criteria that needs to be met, writing is messy and that's the beauty of it. Humans can make up messy analogies and metaphors that ai could never come up with.
Well that's the thing the first draft isn't going to be perfect. You will have to look back and make so many changes and that's the process of writing. Obviously writing at first won't be perfect and that's the art of it, it's humane and raw unlike AI. If there's grammatical errors then you correct it. You are going to look back at it. Relying on ai for grammatical complications is causes reliance on it and if you make mistakes it's better to recognise it yourself and learn from it instead of submitting it into an AI. I don't think you realise that writing a book is a committment, it's not something you can just give half hearted, you give it your all and I'd like to imagine that people know grammar if they are writing a book and even if they don't, then learn! Writing a book isn't simply about the end result, it's about the process and mistakes are bound to be made.
Also trust me if you have a wonderful idea put it onto paper, make crappy stories, make crappy art, it doesn't matter because it's still amazing because you produced it not a non human thing. You can always make changes to it. Relying on ai for everything strips you of the ability to ever write the way you want to. It's all about practice, practice, practice. Writing isn't something that just clicks, it's a skill so learn it.
Also your point about it not being semi-professional? Ehen you finish writing a book you usually have an editor (can be yourself or another professional) who will check over it for suggestions so your point doesn't make much sense.
Writing doesn't always have to be formal, write whatever the heck you want because there are no rules. (well apart from grammar and stuff) That's why it's creativity, there's no boxes you have to check off.
Trust me, ai writing and human writing are significantly different and they do not hit the same. I see that AI use has become a habit of yours because of grammatical aspects and wording, well practise. Practise writing don't rely on a stupid robot to do something for you.
I don't think you understand how competitive the book industry is. There are people who work so hard and still don't get published and you think it's fair that someone can use ai and be published just like that? If you are using ai to write a book then clearly you aren't committing or giving it all enough. If ai becomes in use for writing the book industry is genuinely done. Writing is something that comes from the heart not stolen from a robot. Writers should know the unethical aspects of ai too.
With how ideologically driven most o fthe entertainment industry has become from film to novels t jusic, the advent of General LLM's, what they call AI's, just might be what we needed to course correct since the inmates of the entertainment prison are now in charge of the prison. If these things start making competitive content free of the ideological crap, the real people will either be forced to stop it with the preaching to their readers/viewers about how bad they are or oppressed they are depending on their skin color, or face fading away to nothing and or bankruptcy.
I can promise you that there is a sizeable and very sizeable and profitable demographic ready to embrace competitive content from a General LLM's that are free of the ideology. What that will do is strip the existing gate keepers of their hold over entertainment making genuine human creativity the most important thing and not who you know or how well you can write and by that I mean grammatical structure and so on and not the creative side of it.
I looked up the "Darkhollow Academy" series on Amazon. Book 1 only has 79 ratings, Book 2 only 21, and Book 3 only 16. This is not a successful series. There were multiple one-star reviews left even before the AI prompt was discovered, citing the poor quality of the writing. Bear in mind, too, that many five-star reviews are shills. Bottom line, AI fiction writing is still not ready for prime time.
Well it's like other General LLM's, with each revision it gets better and often a LOT better. I don't remember which LLM it is but one was recently updated and it created series of video clips of teh same 2 actors, with voices, in different settings and it was quite impressive.
It sounds like McDonald was actively editing the prompts and making it her own. I presume she is still in charge of pacing the story and outlining it as it goes along. Kind of like video games where a playable and fun map can come from using a random map generator and tweaking it and putting it together. Fun times in random maps in Age of Empires 2.
I'm not an author so maybe this isn't valid but I would think that it;s Ok to use AI for writing as long as the idea and story are from the human and the AI is just composing that, writing it down and maybe even in a particular style. It's the creativity , IMHO, that matters most and not the effectiveness of the grammar. If I gave an AI the details for story, it;s plot, the characters, their stories and so on and asked it to compose it into a professional looking story in the style of Steven King would that be wrong, unethical?
As long as the readers enjoy it. And if so, who's to say it is bad or wrong?
Excellent point
"creativity that matters", IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA PUT IT ON A PAGE. Every word is yours, your style, your imagination. It's not simply about being "unethical" or "wrong", although ai is but that's another situation. Also, your argument literally makes no sense, the point of writing is creativity, everything in your book is based on creativity; how you word things is creativity, how you present it. It's like saying you have a plot, characters and stories but people aren't going to read it if the language isn't captivating? It's supposed to hit human emotions and generative AI contradicts this whole concept. It's like saying oh I have an idea but I don't know how to write it, wait let me pop it into chatGPT! Even though that idea was once yours, that story is not yours. None of the words belong to you. Also it's Stephen King. The point of writing is to let out your words not take away others, sure you can get inspiration but blatantly going out your way to be exactly the same as someone else? That's just plain stupid.
I get your point. Mine about using AI to help is that some of us have a really bad habit (like me) of writing/composing as if I am talking and that doesn't always translate so well. There's a lot of easy to make grammatical errors like using then vs than and if you want the most number of people to give your stuff a try then you want to try and make it looks as at least semi=professionally written as you can.
I'm excited about what this will bring in terms of fiction as there are many with raw creative talent that simply don't have what it takes to channel that into something formal and easily digested by others and AI can greatly help with that!
It's not about how easily digestible a book is. Having simple writing is not a criteria that needs to be met, writing is messy and that's the beauty of it. Humans can make up messy analogies and metaphors that ai could never come up with.
Well that's the thing the first draft isn't going to be perfect. You will have to look back and make so many changes and that's the process of writing. Obviously writing at first won't be perfect and that's the art of it, it's humane and raw unlike AI. If there's grammatical errors then you correct it. You are going to look back at it. Relying on ai for grammatical complications is causes reliance on it and if you make mistakes it's better to recognise it yourself and learn from it instead of submitting it into an AI. I don't think you realise that writing a book is a committment, it's not something you can just give half hearted, you give it your all and I'd like to imagine that people know grammar if they are writing a book and even if they don't, then learn! Writing a book isn't simply about the end result, it's about the process and mistakes are bound to be made.
Also trust me if you have a wonderful idea put it onto paper, make crappy stories, make crappy art, it doesn't matter because it's still amazing because you produced it not a non human thing. You can always make changes to it. Relying on ai for everything strips you of the ability to ever write the way you want to. It's all about practice, practice, practice. Writing isn't something that just clicks, it's a skill so learn it.
Also your point about it not being semi-professional? Ehen you finish writing a book you usually have an editor (can be yourself or another professional) who will check over it for suggestions so your point doesn't make much sense.
Writing doesn't always have to be formal, write whatever the heck you want because there are no rules. (well apart from grammar and stuff) That's why it's creativity, there's no boxes you have to check off.
Trust me, ai writing and human writing are significantly different and they do not hit the same. I see that AI use has become a habit of yours because of grammatical aspects and wording, well practise. Practise writing don't rely on a stupid robot to do something for you.
I don't think you understand how competitive the book industry is. There are people who work so hard and still don't get published and you think it's fair that someone can use ai and be published just like that? If you are using ai to write a book then clearly you aren't committing or giving it all enough. If ai becomes in use for writing the book industry is genuinely done. Writing is something that comes from the heart not stolen from a robot. Writers should know the unethical aspects of ai too.
With how ideologically driven most o fthe entertainment industry has become from film to novels t jusic, the advent of General LLM's, what they call AI's, just might be what we needed to course correct since the inmates of the entertainment prison are now in charge of the prison. If these things start making competitive content free of the ideological crap, the real people will either be forced to stop it with the preaching to their readers/viewers about how bad they are or oppressed they are depending on their skin color, or face fading away to nothing and or bankruptcy.
I can promise you that there is a sizeable and very sizeable and profitable demographic ready to embrace competitive content from a General LLM's that are free of the ideology. What that will do is strip the existing gate keepers of their hold over entertainment making genuine human creativity the most important thing and not who you know or how well you can write and by that I mean grammatical structure and so on and not the creative side of it.
Well, to be fair, the AI box on Amazon publishing is for any generative AI - including the cover.
So the %s listed could include covers only. Even I've thought about using them.
I looked up the "Darkhollow Academy" series on Amazon. Book 1 only has 79 ratings, Book 2 only 21, and Book 3 only 16. This is not a successful series. There were multiple one-star reviews left even before the AI prompt was discovered, citing the poor quality of the writing. Bear in mind, too, that many five-star reviews are shills. Bottom line, AI fiction writing is still not ready for prime time.
Well it's like other General LLM's, with each revision it gets better and often a LOT better. I don't remember which LLM it is but one was recently updated and it created series of video clips of teh same 2 actors, with voices, in different settings and it was quite impressive.
Yes, the audiovisual AI's are amazing! And keep getting better.
It sounds like McDonald was actively editing the prompts and making it her own. I presume she is still in charge of pacing the story and outlining it as it goes along. Kind of like video games where a playable and fun map can come from using a random map generator and tweaking it and putting it together. Fun times in random maps in Age of Empires 2.