The Baen Ankle-Biter Brigade needs to up their game, that was literally the same statement they made when you first reported that Larry Coronary was leaving, but with a few words changed.
The network of writers and publishers associated with the OG Sad Puppies campaign is operating from an assumption of ill-will toward those associated with the Rabids. IDK myself which came first, nor the reasons, though I can make a case for both sides to have or believe the other side is motivated by ill will.
Considering the high number of Christians on both sides, it would behoove everyone involved to, as Mr. Samwise said to Faramir, "take the opportunity to show your quality".
As one of the few people who was there for the whole thing and knows exactly what happened, the fundamental problem is that the Sads overestimated their own popularity and underestimated the support enjoyed by the Rabids. They still have not gotten over that shock.
But their decline and eventual demise is neither our problem nor our concern. We'll just keep doing what we're doing.
That was an unhinged response by Cordova in my opinion. Perhaps he is trying to channel some of that Correia attitude to rally the fans against someone who wants them to succeed? Make it make sense. Regardless, good luck to Baen Books and I hope they survive as reading books focuses the mind and allows folks to think better and critically.
Fewer people read for fun. I think TV and radio are the junk or snack food equivalent of reading and the Internet and social media elevates that to illicit drug levels. Junk food and recreational drugs alone destroys and takes lives. Reading on the other hand is like eating healthy and exercising.
I didn't cover his comments because they weren't newsworthy, but he mocked the idea of Fandom Pulse promoting authors with some childish posts. The unprofessionality of the SF/F industry is astounding.
The Baen orbiters are inept beyond belief. They're still stuck in the 1990s and they still think their tiny little corner of the publishing world matters. It is amusing.
They'll still be posturing when Baen closes its doors and Fandom Pulse is the only media site covering actual science fiction and fantasy literature.
And you don't get to complain about the reporting being less than perfectly accurate when you refuse to talk to the media. To the extent there is a problem, there is a very easy solution.
Meanwhile, a bunchaton of writers at Liberty Con were talking to fans, asking their book interests, and referring to other writers or publishers who could also fit your interests. Some had books or anthologies with Baen. Baen itself was conspicuously absent from a table or two for sales, marketing, and reruitment in their own backyard. Yet "Everything's fine!" until it's not.
Baen suffered an unexpected loss at the key founder position. No visible continuity or succession plan was apparent then. None are visible now to readers or those outside, merely continued "more of the same." That's why I talked with new authors and smaller publishers, to see who's thinking 5-10 yrs out.
I follow both you and Raconteur Press here on SubStack. I thought they were a professional group, and if what you said is true (I'd have to see the tweet, blog post, etc) they've lost a bit of respect.
We have to fight the big 5 too much to be fighting among ourselves.
If I ever get the chance to turn my Vanity press into a real business and am able to help other writers, I hope I'll behave better than the professionals of today.
Stunning lack of professionalism aside, this guy is a writer?
This guy??
Please Baen, for the sake of all that is good and loving in this world, put this guy back in an office fetching coffee and lunch orders, and never, EVER let him near a keyboard again.
Jason Cordova is a decent sort who graduated the Larry Correia School of Aggressive Internet Posturing. One issue with the curriculum is an inability to differentiate posturing from actual stance.
One need not agree with or like a person to work with them. Spilling more ink to correct someone, only to confirm most of it, is a poor showing.
It's one thing to correct, it's another thing entirely to go on an unprofessional, psychotic rant.
I don't care either way about the original story, but a "writer" who writes that post, thinking it's clever, charming, self-depreciating, cutting to his "enemies," and inspiring to his "friends" is exactly the gate-keeping legacy media's self-important, face-planting Idiocracy I come to this site for.
You can't tell me, that in the English-speaking world, Baen Books could not find a better employee? One who is even tempered, professional, and a talented writer?
Not one?
I could name three or four posters on this niche website alone more fitting.
One Baen author told me privately just now: ‘Special projects’ is code for ‘we’re too nice to fire you but we’re not going to give you any more work. Or pay you.’
For that matter, Raconteur guys lying by claiming Vox doesn't pay his authors and repeating slanders against you by Correia is the sort of Crabs in the Bucket sort of thing that killed Star Wars. No one likes gay consensuses made out of lies.
I am never going to let the Baenites live down the fact that there was a moment in time where they could have grown their reach and good will by making a deal with Capcom for a collab with the Monster Hunter games. That they didn't even push or think about this during that period of time between 3 and Monster Hunter World should count as a textbook opportunity of a wasted opportunity.
Baen's biggest draw being easily mistaken for the Capcom multiplayer Action RPG definitely doesn't help. Being a dick to you and Vox is just digging their own grave.
I was at LibertyCon - though not this session - and the Raconteur Press party learning about their boys adventure series. Do you have a link/screencap to Hayden's comment?
Rephrasing my comment... sorry. they just pissed me off when they took a giant shit on the StarFleet Academy show. I am so over that shit. Get over it change the channel and let Trekkies enjoy things. :-)
Yes they are. You’re the one who’s NOT a “reputable source”. This website can report, you can’t. All you are is an evil propagandist, who just harasses people, who call out the mainstream comic book industry.
Very original. I’m impressed, Cyborg. Who did your programming? Oh, I think it was me? Sorry that I pressed that wrong key. Oops. I hope to improve with my next cyborg project. I could make a robot that looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger—has that been done? Should I write a sf book?
All I asked was what is wrong with you, and you’re still acting like a massive asshole. Harassing is wrong, is what I’m saying, yet it sounds like you didn’t get the memo. I’m only going by ‘Cyborgjustice’, because I want to remain anonymous. Seriously, why are you going after me? It’s Ralph that’s smearing this website, not me.
The Baen Ankle-Biter Brigade needs to up their game, that was literally the same statement they made when you first reported that Larry Coronary was leaving, but with a few words changed.
And note everything I said about that came true as well.
The network of writers and publishers associated with the OG Sad Puppies campaign is operating from an assumption of ill-will toward those associated with the Rabids. IDK myself which came first, nor the reasons, though I can make a case for both sides to have or believe the other side is motivated by ill will.
Considering the high number of Christians on both sides, it would behoove everyone involved to, as Mr. Samwise said to Faramir, "take the opportunity to show your quality".
All y'all have it and to spare.
It's sad, to be honest. I keep hoping they'll act like professionals and keep getting disappointed.
As one of the few people who was there for the whole thing and knows exactly what happened, the fundamental problem is that the Sads overestimated their own popularity and underestimated the support enjoyed by the Rabids. They still have not gotten over that shock.
But their decline and eventual demise is neither our problem nor our concern. We'll just keep doing what we're doing.
That was an unhinged response by Cordova in my opinion. Perhaps he is trying to channel some of that Correia attitude to rally the fans against someone who wants them to succeed? Make it make sense. Regardless, good luck to Baen Books and I hope they survive as reading books focuses the mind and allows folks to think better and critically.
Fewer people read for fun. I think TV and radio are the junk or snack food equivalent of reading and the Internet and social media elevates that to illicit drug levels. Junk food and recreational drugs alone destroys and takes lives. Reading on the other hand is like eating healthy and exercising.
I didn't cover his comments because they weren't newsworthy, but he mocked the idea of Fandom Pulse promoting authors with some childish posts. The unprofessionality of the SF/F industry is astounding.
The Baen orbiters are inept beyond belief. They're still stuck in the 1990s and they still think their tiny little corner of the publishing world matters. It is amusing.
They'll still be posturing when Baen closes its doors and Fandom Pulse is the only media site covering actual science fiction and fantasy literature.
And you don't get to complain about the reporting being less than perfectly accurate when you refuse to talk to the media. To the extent there is a problem, there is a very easy solution.
Meanwhile, a bunchaton of writers at Liberty Con were talking to fans, asking their book interests, and referring to other writers or publishers who could also fit your interests. Some had books or anthologies with Baen. Baen itself was conspicuously absent from a table or two for sales, marketing, and reruitment in their own backyard. Yet "Everything's fine!" until it's not.
Baen suffered an unexpected loss at the key founder position. No visible continuity or succession plan was apparent then. None are visible now to readers or those outside, merely continued "more of the same." That's why I talked with new authors and smaller publishers, to see who's thinking 5-10 yrs out.
Jason Cordova sounded completely unhinged right there. That is definitely damage control from Cordova.
I follow both you and Raconteur Press here on SubStack. I thought they were a professional group, and if what you said is true (I'd have to see the tweet, blog post, etc) they've lost a bit of respect.
We have to fight the big 5 too much to be fighting among ourselves.
If I ever get the chance to turn my Vanity press into a real business and am able to help other writers, I hope I'll behave better than the professionals of today.
Stunning lack of professionalism aside, this guy is a writer?
This guy??
Please Baen, for the sake of all that is good and loving in this world, put this guy back in an office fetching coffee and lunch orders, and never, EVER let him near a keyboard again.
I've read a couple of his books they aren't bad. Talented guy. He's just unhinged on twitter here.
That's actually incredibly decent of you to say, especially after the guy came at you with both barrels.
It's a shame. He sounds like he's too frothing at the mouth to notice something like that, or extend you even a portion of that grace.
Jason Cordova is a decent sort who graduated the Larry Correia School of Aggressive Internet Posturing. One issue with the curriculum is an inability to differentiate posturing from actual stance.
One need not agree with or like a person to work with them. Spilling more ink to correct someone, only to confirm most of it, is a poor showing.
This publishing house looks like a bunch of pussies, tbh.
So, you were wrong. Take your lumps and drive on instead of the”well, actually, in some specific details…”
I wasn't wrong that I can see so far.
It's one thing to correct, it's another thing entirely to go on an unprofessional, psychotic rant.
I don't care either way about the original story, but a "writer" who writes that post, thinking it's clever, charming, self-depreciating, cutting to his "enemies," and inspiring to his "friends" is exactly the gate-keeping legacy media's self-important, face-planting Idiocracy I come to this site for.
You can't tell me, that in the English-speaking world, Baen Books could not find a better employee? One who is even tempered, professional, and a talented writer?
Not one?
I could name three or four posters on this niche website alone more fitting.
One Baen author told me privately just now: ‘Special projects’ is code for ‘we’re too nice to fire you but we’re not going to give you any more work. Or pay you.’
I won't out the person for talking to me.
For that matter, Raconteur guys lying by claiming Vox doesn't pay his authors and repeating slanders against you by Correia is the sort of Crabs in the Bucket sort of thing that killed Star Wars. No one likes gay consensuses made out of lies.
I am never going to let the Baenites live down the fact that there was a moment in time where they could have grown their reach and good will by making a deal with Capcom for a collab with the Monster Hunter games. That they didn't even push or think about this during that period of time between 3 and Monster Hunter World should count as a textbook opportunity of a wasted opportunity.
Baen's biggest draw being easily mistaken for the Capcom multiplayer Action RPG definitely doesn't help. Being a dick to you and Vox is just digging their own grave.
I was at LibertyCon - though not this session - and the Raconteur Press party learning about their boys adventure series. Do you have a link/screencap to Hayden's comment?
The free flow of ideas ridiculing other ideas is the whole point of the internet. The comment section shouldn't have a politeness rule.
Rephrasing my comment... sorry. they just pissed me off when they took a giant shit on the StarFleet Academy show. I am so over that shit. Get over it change the channel and let Trekkies enjoy things. :-)
Your point being?
I don't recall anyone claiming this to be anything other than a culture news board.
It'd be like getting mad at the Society pages in the newspapers for printing gossip--it's their entire purpose.
Well! Knowing this, I need to seek a refund for my Substack subscription.
I mean, if *Ralph* doesn't hold their journalism is high esteem, then...
Yes they are. You’re the one who’s NOT a “reputable source”. This website can report, you can’t. All you are is an evil propagandist, who just harasses people, who call out the mainstream comic book industry.
Everyone should be harassed even more. Make cutting remarks as scintillating as possible. Do your worst.
What the f*** is wrong with you?
Very original. I’m impressed, Cyborg. Who did your programming? Oh, I think it was me? Sorry that I pressed that wrong key. Oops. I hope to improve with my next cyborg project. I could make a robot that looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger—has that been done? Should I write a sf book?
All I asked was what is wrong with you, and you’re still acting like a massive asshole. Harassing is wrong, is what I’m saying, yet it sounds like you didn’t get the memo. I’m only going by ‘Cyborgjustice’, because I want to remain anonymous. Seriously, why are you going after me? It’s Ralph that’s smearing this website, not me.