Thank you for this 3-pov analysis. While I feel glad that pornography is slightly less profitable today than it was before, the hearts of the creators and consumers of these games have not changed. So, there is no victory here, IMO. The people involved are still who they were before. However, I am glad people are at least talking about it now.
There’s quite a few problems at play here when it comes to censorship of content. But I will try to contain them to the major ones.
1. Coming to a consensus of what is considered pornography. Even amongst political ideologues and of those from the Christian faith, they have conflicting opinions, views and personal biases when it comes to the subject. It can get incredibly heated and hard to get to the heart of the matter of what is considered pornography versus art.
Might I remind Christians that the Bible contains stories like the Song of Solomon, which is a clear example of love, attraction, sensuality and sexuality. Along with other stories involving gangrape, incest, more rape, and the like.
And for progressives we have a bevy of smut, degeneracy and “sexual expression/awakening” from feminists and gay activists that are considered “safe horny”. Of which includes, bestiality, prostitution, rape, sex with minors, abusive relationships and having unending amounts of partners.
Until we have everyone on the same page know where the line of artistic expression is and cheap pornographic exploitation is. It’s really hard to move forward. Because at this point even amongst conservatives, progressives, libertarians and Christians you will have entirely different lines in the sand.
2. We need to enforce the rules properly on these platforms.
Unfortunately, the rules of what is and isn’t tasteful, what can be changed and allowed on any platform whether it is Steam, PSN, XBL or Nintendo eshop is is completely out there and decided day by day with standards that fluctuate wildly. Even Steam which people have praised significantly has had games changed post-release like Skullgirls and Ready or Not that are completely unwarranted and games that have to be censored or banned entirely over the years.
This is definitely exacerbated by the fact that most of the people in tech are highly progressive so they tend to fall in line but censorship wouldn’t be such an issue if everyone was playing honest and fair with morals and rules.
Clearly established rules for publishing, proper age ratings and a clear understanding of what is allowed in any given company should be tantamount to this industry to give some cohesion to what you can do in your medium.
No one is censoring speech because of degenerate filth. Don't confuse the two things.
This is common sense. look at what is being removed. it is the underworld degenerate filth that 99% of us did not even know was on Steam until this popped up.
As you said, the problem is that it's all one-directional censorship. Yeah, a lot of the games that got yeeted were disgusting, but it's all aimed at young men's sexual issues. There are ENDLESS numbers of at least equally disgusting homosexual games and games aimed at 'femcels' if you will that won't be touched in the slightest. This does nothing to address any core issues, and won't really help any man suffering from pornography addiction - it's just about godless control and submission, as always.
It's very simple you are either pro-censorship or against it. It's obvious that the position here is "let's censor what I don't like", which makes you no different than the feminists who initiated this. Keep in mind that they are not censoring gay furry garbage like Baldurs Gate 3 or lesbo MAP trash like Last of Us - they are after what they perceive to be harming women. We are not allies in this culture war. It's a fight on multiple fronts and I hope both pro-censorship sides lose.
Nope. The whole "it's either hot or cold" nonsense is an affront to critical thinking and clear moral discernment. It is also a rhetorical failure. I am pro censorship in cases where censorship is rightfully called for in a case-by-case scenario and against it when it is not called for. That is how reason works. What you are proposing is reactionary-based thought processes and makes you no different than these secular feminists. In fact, it makes you a controlled tool in their game.
Sophistry. You are the one supporting what they are doing. You even wished death upon people who are fighting them. I suppose wanting people to die is another one of those things where it's fine when you do it.
Nope, I quoted a comedian who said he wished both sides would die in a humorous attempt to voice his frustration with the antics of both sides. See how you're just like these reactionary bitches? People can't even say, "I refuse to play your game" without someone like you essentially saying, "If you're not with us, you're against us."
I am not part of your silly billy culture war. Kick rocks.
This very website did publish an article about a black activist who made a joke comic wishing MAGA to die and rightfully admonished him. You did the same thing here. I see no reason to give you the benefit of the doubt. Why should I? It's obvious that we're not allies.
You even try to play the enlightened centrist, but the only difference is that you agree with one side and it's not the good guys.
Oh, when was it obvious that we weren't allies? Maybe when I told you I wasn't part of your culture war? Also, an "enlightened centrist" would never have proposed allegiance to Jesus Christ amidst your little secular whirlwind you got going on. Try reading what I write before commenting next time.
I will always reject the "good guys" if their entire basis for morality is personal preference.
It was obvious the first time around when you declared yourself pro-censorship.
I suppose you are correct in a way. You are not part of the culture war, because your side lost to the secular feminists so badly that your influence is next to zero. Since you choose to exclude yourself from this fight (even though you clearly support one side) you aren't really contributing anything aside from saying "I'm a Christian and both sides should die". OK?
You've demonstrated that your morality is also grey and a personal preference. You just hide behind Christ.
Thank you for this 3-pov analysis. While I feel glad that pornography is slightly less profitable today than it was before, the hearts of the creators and consumers of these games have not changed. So, there is no victory here, IMO. The people involved are still who they were before. However, I am glad people are at least talking about it now.
There’s quite a few problems at play here when it comes to censorship of content. But I will try to contain them to the major ones.
1. Coming to a consensus of what is considered pornography. Even amongst political ideologues and of those from the Christian faith, they have conflicting opinions, views and personal biases when it comes to the subject. It can get incredibly heated and hard to get to the heart of the matter of what is considered pornography versus art.
Might I remind Christians that the Bible contains stories like the Song of Solomon, which is a clear example of love, attraction, sensuality and sexuality. Along with other stories involving gangrape, incest, more rape, and the like.
And for progressives we have a bevy of smut, degeneracy and “sexual expression/awakening” from feminists and gay activists that are considered “safe horny”. Of which includes, bestiality, prostitution, rape, sex with minors, abusive relationships and having unending amounts of partners.
Until we have everyone on the same page know where the line of artistic expression is and cheap pornographic exploitation is. It’s really hard to move forward. Because at this point even amongst conservatives, progressives, libertarians and Christians you will have entirely different lines in the sand.
2. We need to enforce the rules properly on these platforms.
Unfortunately, the rules of what is and isn’t tasteful, what can be changed and allowed on any platform whether it is Steam, PSN, XBL or Nintendo eshop is is completely out there and decided day by day with standards that fluctuate wildly. Even Steam which people have praised significantly has had games changed post-release like Skullgirls and Ready or Not that are completely unwarranted and games that have to be censored or banned entirely over the years.
This is definitely exacerbated by the fact that most of the people in tech are highly progressive so they tend to fall in line but censorship wouldn’t be such an issue if everyone was playing honest and fair with morals and rules.
Clearly established rules for publishing, proper age ratings and a clear understanding of what is allowed in any given company should be tantamount to this industry to give some cohesion to what you can do in your medium.
This doesn’t really end until pornographers are properly shamed and driven back into the closet.
I personally want sufficient restrictions such that they know without a doubt they are hated.
Banning is too good for them, especially when they have other venues.
But I’m not going to cry over this.
No one is censoring speech because of degenerate filth. Don't confuse the two things.
This is common sense. look at what is being removed. it is the underworld degenerate filth that 99% of us did not even know was on Steam until this popped up.
list of some removed titles from Bounding into Comics, 2 days ago: https://boundingintocomics.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=788,height=551,fit=crop,quality=80,format=jpeg,onerror=redirect,metadata=none/wp-content/uploads/Steam-Remove.png
guess what? I am all for more processors and competition. I hope every one of them also bans this kind of garbage,
As you said, the problem is that it's all one-directional censorship. Yeah, a lot of the games that got yeeted were disgusting, but it's all aimed at young men's sexual issues. There are ENDLESS numbers of at least equally disgusting homosexual games and games aimed at 'femcels' if you will that won't be touched in the slightest. This does nothing to address any core issues, and won't really help any man suffering from pornography addiction - it's just about godless control and submission, as always.
It's very simple you are either pro-censorship or against it. It's obvious that the position here is "let's censor what I don't like", which makes you no different than the feminists who initiated this. Keep in mind that they are not censoring gay furry garbage like Baldurs Gate 3 or lesbo MAP trash like Last of Us - they are after what they perceive to be harming women. We are not allies in this culture war. It's a fight on multiple fronts and I hope both pro-censorship sides lose.
Nope. The whole "it's either hot or cold" nonsense is an affront to critical thinking and clear moral discernment. It is also a rhetorical failure. I am pro censorship in cases where censorship is rightfully called for in a case-by-case scenario and against it when it is not called for. That is how reason works. What you are proposing is reactionary-based thought processes and makes you no different than these secular feminists. In fact, it makes you a controlled tool in their game.
Sophistry. You are the one supporting what they are doing. You even wished death upon people who are fighting them. I suppose wanting people to die is another one of those things where it's fine when you do it.
Nope, I quoted a comedian who said he wished both sides would die in a humorous attempt to voice his frustration with the antics of both sides. See how you're just like these reactionary bitches? People can't even say, "I refuse to play your game" without someone like you essentially saying, "If you're not with us, you're against us."
I am not part of your silly billy culture war. Kick rocks.
This very website did publish an article about a black activist who made a joke comic wishing MAGA to die and rightfully admonished him. You did the same thing here. I see no reason to give you the benefit of the doubt. Why should I? It's obvious that we're not allies.
You even try to play the enlightened centrist, but the only difference is that you agree with one side and it's not the good guys.
Oh, when was it obvious that we weren't allies? Maybe when I told you I wasn't part of your culture war? Also, an "enlightened centrist" would never have proposed allegiance to Jesus Christ amidst your little secular whirlwind you got going on. Try reading what I write before commenting next time.
I will always reject the "good guys" if their entire basis for morality is personal preference.
It was obvious the first time around when you declared yourself pro-censorship.
I suppose you are correct in a way. You are not part of the culture war, because your side lost to the secular feminists so badly that your influence is next to zero. Since you choose to exclude yourself from this fight (even though you clearly support one side) you aren't really contributing anything aside from saying "I'm a Christian and both sides should die". OK?
You've demonstrated that your morality is also grey and a personal preference. You just hide behind Christ.
plenty of games exist only to unforgivably blaspheme The Church, steam has no problem with it.