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Lankester Merrin's avatar

Ahh, when I read the second paragraph, I had virtually zero doubt this would bring up Dostoevsky and The Brothers Karamazov. What a masterpiece. "Everything is permitted" - Ivan Karamazov is the archetypical representation of this folly. And of course, the Grand Inquisitor chapter... Such a powerful book!

AJ's avatar

1) Sheen is always gold, and we need to reference him more than we do.

2) You should un-suspend LumberJack, whose comment was hidden below. Let him continue to show us how terrible his godless libertarian nonsense is. Let him demonstrate what happens when your prophet is Ayn Rand and you worship at the alter of self. He's inspiring, just not in the way he thinks he is.

Christopher Heller's avatar

I was just browsing the news before my morning shower and was not expecting to see Fulton Sheen being brought up. He was such an amazing orator, definitely blessed and probably inspired. Only criticism I have for him is his support for Vatican II. I wonder if he saw the church now he would change his views?

NeverForget1776's avatar

Freedom is the right to do without impendence, restriction or limitation by a governing body and in so long as what you do does not violate anyone else's freedoms.

That said, force is the only thing that guarantees any of this and w/o it you have no freedom, no rights and no liberty thus the reason we have governing bodies at all.

Mr0303's avatar

Very weak arguments. The first two definitions are obviously false because they infringe on another person's freedom - that's tyranny from 2 different perspectives. The "ought to" definition is a weaselly way to push the "must" without commiting to it. A person has the freedom to study and become a doctor or not and choose another path in life. That's about it.

The last anecdote illustrates the goal of this argument - "if you don't limit your freedom, you will lose most of it". Freedom is about choice and that includes the ability to make the wrong one. I have the freedom to leave my door unlocked, but that's not a wise choice. A government commissar making sure that my door is locked under threat of violence is not me being free.

Gridhunter's avatar

You benefit from what remains of a Christian society. In your own imagined utopia, there is only fire & death awaiting you. Repent while you might, that you do not get what you "want."