Rafe Judkins, the showrunner of Wheel of Time, recently admitted in an interview that he intentionally turned Prime Video’s Wheel of Time show into LGBTQ+ propaganda with the intention of normalizing sodomy.This Substack is reader-supported.
Remember that he finished the Wheel of Time years ago. Sanderson is no Jordan, but he did a more than competent job finishing the series. And without anything that could be considered "woke" with the sole exception of having a single line of dialogue that made a very, very minor male character gay out of left field because “there were no gay men. But there are gay men in the real world, so I added them in.”
(Quoted in Origins of The Wheel of Time, Section 1)
The books are imperfect but excellent. I rank the Sanderson books above a few of the Jordan books.
Been listening to the audiobooks, and to say it’s full of queer characters is a stretch, and that’s not even addressing the twisted perspective that people of the same sex cannot be friends, deep friends, without some sort of homosexual bent there.
That said, I’m not even sure I like the story so far. Seven books in, and it seems there are no adults who know how to deal with the opposite sex. The constant petty tension pulls on the story, and if that’s the point, it’s not a point worth making.
Have you even read the books? Moiraine and Siuane *were* pillow friends in the prequel. There are multiple queer relationships, from sister wives married to each other in addition to their husbands to Aes Sedai banging multiple Warders to Galina being a straight up lesbian. The pillow friends stuff is not subtext, it is actual text, and the author himself said that people don't care about people being gay in this setting, just like they don't raise an eyebrow at women having various roles. (Although heavy upper body physical ones would still be unusual, obv.)
I agree I didn't see Elayne and Avi this way, and I preferred their relationship as sisters (even if weird naked RJ style "let's sleep and bathe together" sisters), and in general do think that RJ just preferred his titties and lesbians (like most straight dudes) and was squicked out actually writing the guys, but when people have been writing this crazy flamebait stuff for decades it's no wonder some people read too hard into relationships. You deny the actual ones so hard that it makes people have to fight to keep them, and then others just end up swept up in it.
Agreed also that that's either not a real quote or not a public one (or taken out of context as another suggests), and either way it's not "famous". (At the same time, when the author does say publicly that yeah people are gay in the books but it ain't no thang, it's understandable why the intent is impactful to a gay person more than the specific words.)
It's also pretty telling that someone going down on a chick is an evil sodomizer. You must be a great time.
It’s annoying when the woke right makes its way into my feed. I’ve mostly purged the woke left at this point.
I wish woke left and right would go to an island once a year and flail impotently at each other until they all fall over and finally take their naps. Then they can all come home ready to shut up and act like adults.
Elayne and Aviendha "bathing together" isn't a weird RJ thing. People forget they're in separate tubs and the same thing literally happens with Lan + Thom + Rand + Mat + Perrin early in The Eye of the World.
Yeah, I meant more the whole preparation and rebirth ritual "including bathing and sleeping and etc". "The kind of sisters they are" rather than "their weird bathing" if that makes any sense; sorry if the phrasing made it seem like I think the baths in isolation were weird.
(And like I said I agree the intent was sisters, the naked is because rebirth, the practice and secrets and whatnot is just Aiel culture and so on. I just meant that's the sort of thing people point to when they talk about that subtext, but in this case I feel like he was clear about stuff like pillow friends and could have been here if that's what he'd meant. I don't hate it and do think there's some wiggle room because of the glossary saying the sister wives were married to each other as well as to their husband, but overall I preferred their relationship platonic and think that's how it was intended. Polygamy to polyamory is not a huge mental leap for me, but I get the people mourning the loss of a sisterly friendship.)
I'm gonna assume this is the quote Rafe was incompetently/dishonestly referencing:
"Between one-third and one-half of all Aes Sedai (possibly somewhat more) are either gay or (mainly) bisexual to one degree or another. This is in large part because relationships with men are exceedingly difficult: men age and die, many men find a relationship with a woman so powerful difficult. Lesbian relationships between Aes Sedai and non-Aes Sedai are not unknown, but they are not highly common; the same difficulties engendered with men by hugely differing life-spans also works against these, at least as more than dalliances."
"Oh, I wanted to add something here because of gender stereotypes and so forth. Somebody asked me why didn't I have any, in another question and answer session, asked me why didn't I have any gay characters in the books. I do, but that's not my bag to bring out the question of gender stereotypes and the whole nine yards. And they're just running around doing the things that they do and you can figure out who some of them are. If you want to help them, I don't care. It's not the point if they're gay or not gay, okay?"
I agree that Rafe has turned The Wheel of Time into his gay fanfiction.
But FFS when you put sodomy in your title and describe fake lesbian couples as "sodomizers" it comes off as a parody. But it seems like a lot of effort just to take the piss at a legitimate issue.
My advice? Turn the dial down just a touch there if you want to be taken seriously.
With Yuri it's two girls being awkward for thirty chapters. Western media jumps right too it. Many of these projects are rush propaganda. They don't want to do the work. And few people watch after an episode or two.
"I would say 30 to to 50 percent of people in the world of The Wheel of Time are probably not straight.’"
Fake RJ quote. Nothing like that "famous" quote anywhere on Theoryland.
I did a Google search for it directly and the only results that came up were the THR interview and this article.
Grok agrees with you:
https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=1905378737849274399
Glad I never got into the books with Sanderson turning out to be a woke clown. The series is out of the question.
Remember that he finished the Wheel of Time years ago. Sanderson is no Jordan, but he did a more than competent job finishing the series. And without anything that could be considered "woke" with the sole exception of having a single line of dialogue that made a very, very minor male character gay out of left field because “there were no gay men. But there are gay men in the real world, so I added them in.”
(Quoted in Origins of The Wheel of Time, Section 1)
The books are imperfect but excellent. I rank the Sanderson books above a few of the Jordan books.
And people wonder why Anime is more popular.........
Been listening to the audiobooks, and to say it’s full of queer characters is a stretch, and that’s not even addressing the twisted perspective that people of the same sex cannot be friends, deep friends, without some sort of homosexual bent there.
That said, I’m not even sure I like the story so far. Seven books in, and it seems there are no adults who know how to deal with the opposite sex. The constant petty tension pulls on the story, and if that’s the point, it’s not a point worth making.
Have you even read the books? Moiraine and Siuane *were* pillow friends in the prequel. There are multiple queer relationships, from sister wives married to each other in addition to their husbands to Aes Sedai banging multiple Warders to Galina being a straight up lesbian. The pillow friends stuff is not subtext, it is actual text, and the author himself said that people don't care about people being gay in this setting, just like they don't raise an eyebrow at women having various roles. (Although heavy upper body physical ones would still be unusual, obv.)
I agree I didn't see Elayne and Avi this way, and I preferred their relationship as sisters (even if weird naked RJ style "let's sleep and bathe together" sisters), and in general do think that RJ just preferred his titties and lesbians (like most straight dudes) and was squicked out actually writing the guys, but when people have been writing this crazy flamebait stuff for decades it's no wonder some people read too hard into relationships. You deny the actual ones so hard that it makes people have to fight to keep them, and then others just end up swept up in it.
Agreed also that that's either not a real quote or not a public one (or taken out of context as another suggests), and either way it's not "famous". (At the same time, when the author does say publicly that yeah people are gay in the books but it ain't no thang, it's understandable why the intent is impactful to a gay person more than the specific words.)
It's also pretty telling that someone going down on a chick is an evil sodomizer. You must be a great time.
It’s annoying when the woke right makes its way into my feed. I’ve mostly purged the woke left at this point.
I wish woke left and right would go to an island once a year and flail impotently at each other until they all fall over and finally take their naps. Then they can all come home ready to shut up and act like adults.
Elayne and Aviendha "bathing together" isn't a weird RJ thing. People forget they're in separate tubs and the same thing literally happens with Lan + Thom + Rand + Mat + Perrin early in The Eye of the World.
Yeah, I meant more the whole preparation and rebirth ritual "including bathing and sleeping and etc". "The kind of sisters they are" rather than "their weird bathing" if that makes any sense; sorry if the phrasing made it seem like I think the baths in isolation were weird.
(And like I said I agree the intent was sisters, the naked is because rebirth, the practice and secrets and whatnot is just Aiel culture and so on. I just meant that's the sort of thing people point to when they talk about that subtext, but in this case I feel like he was clear about stuff like pillow friends and could have been here if that's what he'd meant. I don't hate it and do think there's some wiggle room because of the glossary saying the sister wives were married to each other as well as to their husband, but overall I preferred their relationship platonic and think that's how it was intended. Polygamy to polyamory is not a huge mental leap for me, but I get the people mourning the loss of a sisterly friendship.)
I'm gonna assume this is the quote Rafe was incompetently/dishonestly referencing:
"Between one-third and one-half of all Aes Sedai (possibly somewhat more) are either gay or (mainly) bisexual to one degree or another. This is in large part because relationships with men are exceedingly difficult: men age and die, many men find a relationship with a woman so powerful difficult. Lesbian relationships between Aes Sedai and non-Aes Sedai are not unknown, but they are not highly common; the same difficulties engendered with men by hugely differing life-spans also works against these, at least as more than dalliances."
https://13depository.blogspot.com/2002/03/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know.html
I would have liked to see Robert Jordan's WoT adapted to film/tv. Unfortunately, we got Rafe Judkin's fan fiction. A pile of boring, steaming, garbage
Typical woke garbage. So gay.
I tried watching this at first but it was boring as hell and I couldn't stop staring at that one girl's mole!! Bad casting choice! LOL!!
Here's something Robert Jordan *actually* said:
"Oh, I wanted to add something here because of gender stereotypes and so forth. Somebody asked me why didn't I have any, in another question and answer session, asked me why didn't I have any gay characters in the books. I do, but that's not my bag to bring out the question of gender stereotypes and the whole nine yards. And they're just running around doing the things that they do and you can figure out who some of them are. If you want to help them, I don't care. It's not the point if they're gay or not gay, okay?"
https://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=108
isn't it odd how the woke always lean towards sexual deviance?
Call me shocked NOT!
I agree that Rafe has turned The Wheel of Time into his gay fanfiction.
But FFS when you put sodomy in your title and describe fake lesbian couples as "sodomizers" it comes off as a parody. But it seems like a lot of effort just to take the piss at a legitimate issue.
My advice? Turn the dial down just a touch there if you want to be taken seriously.
I always ignored the books. Are they actually worth reading? I can ingore terrible adaptions. The Witcher is the same way.
The books are very much worth reading.
Be advised in the books men actually do things and not everyone is gay.
I think ell answered the question for me. No, these books are not worth reading.
Moriane and Suine aren't sodomizers.
I don't go to gay sex stores and throw holy water through the windows
They should respect the story and leave their fetishes out of it.
And they wonder why Muslims throw them off of buildings.
With Yuri it's two girls being awkward for thirty chapters. Western media jumps right too it. Many of these projects are rush propaganda. They don't want to do the work. And few people watch after an episode or two.