Vince Gilligan has returned to television with Pluribus, a high-concept sci-fi series that reimagines alien invasion through the lens of forced collective consciousness.
You’re a freak, by defending propaganda. No one is “homophobic”. You’re just a disgusting identity politics obsessed freak, who’s defending a forced corporate mandate
The one thing that straight and gay people around the world can agree on is that we'd all rather blow our brains out than come anywhere near your dick.
My dude, you use the handle cyborgjustice and your bio is just bitching about leftists. Do you realize how pathetic you are?
At least thank us for giving you a reason to live, because jerking off while bitching about people on the Internet is clearly the only thing giving your worthless life meaning.
I know you picture this fantasy world in your head where maybe if everyone's a bitter incel like you, maybe someone will like you, but you'll never have friends.
No, you don’t like being called out, for spreading identity politics, and name calling. YOU are the aggressor, not the victim. You were spreading hate, not everyone calling you out.
Wow, you’re actually agreeing with an actual bot? There is no “homophobia”. You just want to defend a forced corporate mandate. LGBT people will tell you, to stop defending them. Do you ever get off the internet?
Ive won the Thriiler and the Shamus plus a finalist for a Derringer. Ive sold 1.5 mil books trad and indie and yet the more I read realities like this the more I cant possibly fathom selling anything to Hollywood....
I think I see what you mean about the heavy-handed influence of gay and lesbian protagonists these days, but I don't think this element of Plur1bus will derail the show for me. I was critical of the final moment of E2, but then realized that Zosia "contains" all of Helen's memories—otherwise, I wouldn't buy Carol's sudden desire to call Z back to her side.
What's interesting to me is how the show is painting the fight between the collective you_will_own_nothing_and_be_happy, or "get a covid injectable or you're banished from the tribe" sort of thing versus the individual, free mind. That most (all?) of the remaining free minds are lulled by the hive's siren song is no surprise (again, just look to the past few years). Many seek the "safety" and ease of the collective over the hard work of the individual's journey. Ah well, we shall see how they proceed with this challenge. So far, I think it's been a fairly balanced portrayal of the pros and cons of both the one and the many.
I suspect the only way out of Helen's conundrum (and that of the story itself) is for Carol to convince "them" that in order to make her happy, they must reverse their project and return to their individual lives. After all, they only want for her happiness, right?
I think Apple is doing the best, most interesting sci-fi on television. I think this is because, unlike all of the other streaming services, they are a technology company first and a media company second. They can afford to take risks on shows without worrying about the service itself being profitable since the company is profitable in other ways. I haven’t loved every show they’ve made, but I appreciate that they’re willing to take risks and champion original IP. I really liked the Pluribus pilot, though I haven’t watched the second episode yet. I don’t see anything wrong with her being a lesbian, that’s just flat out a worldview you and I don’t share. My only gripe is that it seemed from context that they were trying to keep her sexuality a secret for professional reasons, when the romantasy world is generally pretty queer friendly, so I’m not sure why she would need to. And I don’t think, given the plot of the show, that we’ll ever follow up on that. I also disagree with your assertion that Ellen is centered in For All Mankind — the central character is, factually, Ed. Ellen wasn’t even in this last season.
The virus people are basically quakers. The normal people can walk all over them and they smile. They fall over in the face of mild aggression. They are pathological leftists.
The lesbian hero is essentially an alt right dissident.
Other than those elements it is standard current year leftist discourse.
You’re the actual propagandist, you evil heatless goblin. The fact, you support these forced corporate mandates, says a lot about you, since you’re completely inhuman.
Wrong! You’re the idiot, for defending forced propaganda. You are clearly deflecting, because you are defending a forced corporate mandate. That’s what DEI is, you evil heartless goblin. You are the propagandist.
I’m aware of this trend, but I don’t really care about the characters’ sexual preferences or romantic living situations when watching a sci-fi movie. As long as they’re not preaching or pushing some trendy ideology, I don’t give a damn about whom they like in bed if it’s a good show.
If you don't think they're preaching or pushing, simply by having such characters in Every. Single. Show, then you're not actually seeing the trend. The way it works is, there's one or two in a show with dozens of characters -- still well beyond the demographic population, but low enough to get away with -- and they say, "See? It's proportionately representative *in this show*, so if you don't like it, you're a bigot."
But it's in *every* show, not just this one. Its not about how or whether you'd judge an actual real person you work with or met in line at restaurant or whatever; it's about confusing you into applying your judgment of persons to your judgment of trends. That's basic politics for anyone trying to push an unpopular idea: make the masses feel like they're judging reality, when the truth is they're actually just judging the terrible idea.
Pushing for what tho?? I don’t understand why people say this all they can push for is for you to accept that people like that exist. It’s not gonna make you gay.
Yes, but you failed to appreciate the deep irony of Hollywood presenting a tropey sci-fi plot where the cookie-cutter main character saves us from the hive mind.
Homophobia in this day and age? Genuinely pathetic. Gay people aren't going anywhere and it's about time people accepted that.
You’re a freak, by defending propaganda. No one is “homophobic”. You’re just a disgusting identity politics obsessed freak, who’s defending a forced corporate mandate
You're what would happen if Andrew Tate had an immaculate butt conception.
I don’t even listen to Andrew Tate. You’re an evil goblin.
U just suck him off ig
Fuck off bot.
Yet, you think this Kaya user is human?
You're under the impression I'm a bot? Who'd waste their time making bots for a site like this?
I don’t care. You’re fake.
In an infinite multiverse with limitless possibilities, the one constant across all of them is that you've never kissed another human being.
Neither will you, you heartless goblin.
The way you didn’t deny the allegations 💔
The one thing that straight and gay people around the world can agree on is that we'd all rather blow our brains out than come anywhere near your dick.
You’re an evil heartless goblin. You are what’s wrong with society, not me. You think gay people will ever agree with a freak like you?
You're the world's one and only rational argument for mandatory abortions.
You’re an evil heartless goblin, who supports murder.
Why’s everyone a goblin what fantasy realm are u living in💀
My dude, you use the handle cyborgjustice and your bio is just bitching about leftists. Do you realize how pathetic you are?
At least thank us for giving you a reason to live, because jerking off while bitching about people on the Internet is clearly the only thing giving your worthless life meaning.
Wrong, you’re the pathetic one, by defending radical leftists. You clearly want people, who don’t agree with the leftist movement, to die.
You’ll go in camps is what you’ll do. Re education camps to cure you of your tendencies to disordered lifestyle.
That’s already been tested and failed
We will just have to camp harder! No more swimming pools and camp classical orchestras!
No camps for me, sorry!
You sound like you’ve been indoctrinated by the identity politics cult. You need help from your disordered lifestyle.
I'm just gay, you make it sound like I'm insane.
You’re a sick freak who deserves a lobotomy as a cure for your malignancy
What makes me so sick? Being fine with gay people?
Is a lobotomy what made you like this?
Well thankfully Helen dies almost immediately.
You’ll be the first in line to the camp
Oh super cool Nazi rhetoric there guy.
I know you picture this fantasy world in your head where maybe if everyone's a bitter incel like you, maybe someone will like you, but you'll never have friends.
You’re the one making up rhetorics, you evil heartless abomination. You’re the one, with no friends. And you’re the actual incel.
Promise?
100% with you, Kaya.
I appreciate it. It's surprising to stumble upon so much hate.
No, you don’t like being called out, for spreading identity politics, and name calling. YOU are the aggressor, not the victim. You were spreading hate, not everyone calling you out.
I got you.
Kaya is the aggressor, not the victim, you dolt.
Wow, you’re actually agreeing with an actual bot? There is no “homophobia”. You just want to defend a forced corporate mandate. LGBT people will tell you, to stop defending them. Do you ever get off the internet?
You’re the one who’s commenting on every fucking thing said in this thread. More proof you’re a bot.
Yet, you keep replying like a deranged lunatic. You can just stop. And you replied to everyone else first. You’re in no room to play victim.
Ive won the Thriiler and the Shamus plus a finalist for a Derringer. Ive sold 1.5 mil books trad and indie and yet the more I read realities like this the more I cant possibly fathom selling anything to Hollywood....
I think I see what you mean about the heavy-handed influence of gay and lesbian protagonists these days, but I don't think this element of Plur1bus will derail the show for me. I was critical of the final moment of E2, but then realized that Zosia "contains" all of Helen's memories—otherwise, I wouldn't buy Carol's sudden desire to call Z back to her side.
What's interesting to me is how the show is painting the fight between the collective you_will_own_nothing_and_be_happy, or "get a covid injectable or you're banished from the tribe" sort of thing versus the individual, free mind. That most (all?) of the remaining free minds are lulled by the hive's siren song is no surprise (again, just look to the past few years). Many seek the "safety" and ease of the collective over the hard work of the individual's journey. Ah well, we shall see how they proceed with this challenge. So far, I think it's been a fairly balanced portrayal of the pros and cons of both the one and the many.
I suspect the only way out of Helen's conundrum (and that of the story itself) is for Carol to convince "them" that in order to make her happy, they must reverse their project and return to their individual lives. After all, they only want for her happiness, right?
Agree that it’s a balanced portrayal.
Wdym lesbian propaganda 😭 do you think anyone who watches it is gonna turn into a lesbian??
I think Apple is doing the best, most interesting sci-fi on television. I think this is because, unlike all of the other streaming services, they are a technology company first and a media company second. They can afford to take risks on shows without worrying about the service itself being profitable since the company is profitable in other ways. I haven’t loved every show they’ve made, but I appreciate that they’re willing to take risks and champion original IP. I really liked the Pluribus pilot, though I haven’t watched the second episode yet. I don’t see anything wrong with her being a lesbian, that’s just flat out a worldview you and I don’t share. My only gripe is that it seemed from context that they were trying to keep her sexuality a secret for professional reasons, when the romantasy world is generally pretty queer friendly, so I’m not sure why she would need to. And I don’t think, given the plot of the show, that we’ll ever follow up on that. I also disagree with your assertion that Ellen is centered in For All Mankind — the central character is, factually, Ed. Ellen wasn’t even in this last season.
I’m pretty sure Rick and Morty episode on the matter covers the premise of a hive mind and its complications better than this show anyways
Tim Cook so needs to be fired.
Facts
Fuck off bot.
Wow. Kissing Tim Cook’s ass, much?
Fuck off bot.
I’m not a bot, but you do kiss Tim Cook’s ass.
The virus people are basically quakers. The normal people can walk all over them and they smile. They fall over in the face of mild aggression. They are pathological leftists.
The lesbian hero is essentially an alt right dissident.
Other than those elements it is standard current year leftist discourse.
“Propaganda.” The word reveals all I need to know about you.
You’re the actual propagandist, you evil heatless goblin. The fact, you support these forced corporate mandates, says a lot about you, since you’re completely inhuman.
Hahahahaha! Idiot.
Wrong! You’re the idiot, for defending forced propaganda. You are clearly deflecting, because you are defending a forced corporate mandate. That’s what DEI is, you evil heartless goblin. You are the propagandist.
This has to be ai tbh
I started watching Murderbot and it's so gay. I abandoned it after about four episodes.
I loved it so much 10/10 and he’s not gay he’s asexual
I’m aware of this trend, but I don’t really care about the characters’ sexual preferences or romantic living situations when watching a sci-fi movie. As long as they’re not preaching or pushing some trendy ideology, I don’t give a damn about whom they like in bed if it’s a good show.
If you don't think they're preaching or pushing, simply by having such characters in Every. Single. Show, then you're not actually seeing the trend. The way it works is, there's one or two in a show with dozens of characters -- still well beyond the demographic population, but low enough to get away with -- and they say, "See? It's proportionately representative *in this show*, so if you don't like it, you're a bigot."
But it's in *every* show, not just this one. Its not about how or whether you'd judge an actual real person you work with or met in line at restaurant or whatever; it's about confusing you into applying your judgment of persons to your judgment of trends. That's basic politics for anyone trying to push an unpopular idea: make the masses feel like they're judging reality, when the truth is they're actually just judging the terrible idea.
And you're falling for it.
Pushing for what tho?? I don’t understand why people say this all they can push for is for you to accept that people like that exist. It’s not gonna make you gay.
You are a bigot if you read this much into it.
You’re a moron if you don’t lol
You’re the real bigot, you freak. You’re not reading into anything, and you’re just kissing Tim Cook’s ass.
There's nothing to read into when a TV series features a gay couple. Your fake ass can't compute like a human being can.
This article is so completely dead on, I'm actually shocked.
Yes, but you failed to appreciate the deep irony of Hollywood presenting a tropey sci-fi plot where the cookie-cutter main character saves us from the hive mind.
Pretty sure you're reviewing a completely different show. Way off.
We are in a world war with the spawn of the beast! Be victorious or be murdered!
Another reason to avoid all streaming TV